There is more to Sauls violence than preaching Jesus as Messiah. I got lots of note on it I thank God and I praise God. This also convinces me that even though it seems he split from Gamaliel, early on, that did not change him into something completely opposite. How long was Paul in Arabia? I dont want to bite the hand that feeds me (and my family). As to pauls seemingly at odds relationship with his teacher Gamaliel, it is no odd thing for a student to differ from a teacher, especially if the student is quite a zealous one. One could envisage that the power of God was already hard wired in the heart some people through faith in his words and by grace in his blood just as Gamaliel proclaimed, A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. Paul was accustomed to learning from his elders as he developed as a Pharisee (Galatians 1:14). ), If you cant prove me wrong, you dont have to say Im right, you dont have to agree, but dont say that Im wrong. If you are sure Im wrong but you dont have time to prove it, that means you are either lazy, willfully ignorant, or are breaking the 9th of the Ten Commandments, You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.. In my reading, it would seem that many doubt the claim that one as zealous as Paul could not have sat at the feet of Gamaliel. The term To sit at the feet of a Rav is a term in Judaism for a man (13-20) to know the first five books and the Oral law by memory. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them. It is possible that Paul was not of the Hillel form of Pharasism, but rather the more radical Shammaite party. It is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from Johns baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. There once was a phony named Paul who lied about God he had gall. As is his conventional style, NT Wright is overly presuppositionsal in so much of his theology generally that I cannot personally ascribe to him much status as a scholarly commentator . Yes I agree its a commandment given by Jesus, its not optional, and it applies to us today. Somehow Barnabas who was at the Pentecost knew Saul! But the testimonies of the era indicate he would have become a ward and trainee of Gamaliel in the age range of 10-14. [22] The Roman Catholic church views him as a Saint and listed him in the Roman Martyrology for August 3. GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus THE crowd stood in hushed silence. The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? No need to answer. In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! Listen to him! [Mark 9:7], The Apostle John recorded the testimony of John the Baptist: I have see and I testify that this is the Son of God. [John 1:34], In contrast, Hundreds of years later Muhammad came along and wrote: God has no son.. So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. Somebody did the calculations of Paul's education, and said he basically had the equivalent of two Ph.D.'s by the time he was 21 years of age. because he said so. Gamaliel the Elder was the grandson of the great Jewish Rabbi Hillel the Elder, and he kept to Hillel's interpretation of Jewish law. . The Orthodox Muslim view of the Koran as self-evidently the Word of God, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bibles inerrancy and verbal inspiration that is still common in many places today. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. But Ive branched out into quite a few other books of the New Testament, and some Old Testament as well as frequent book reviews. I can back up my view with plenty of Scripture here is just one, written by the Apostle Peter- 2 Peter 3:2. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). We'll address more of this in a moment. Paul would say his success came from the power of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. Hello A. Gazali, It seems you have a hunger for the truth. I am one of those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. [Revelation 12:17] No Im not perfect without sin, and No I dont know everything now. Any help is much appreciated, in advance! Paul has a track record in Scripture of boasting, exaggerating, and stretching the truth to promote himself and make himself appear more important than he really was. Paul adhering to the Feast of Pentacost (Acts 20:16). I would not limit the intervention of God in the light of Pauls claim in Galatians 1 that God had prepared him before he was born for the grace he has received (Gal 1:15). Anyway, I should save a throne for him too.. The cornerstone of Judaism then and now is that although it has guidelines it also leaves rooms for free thought. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. I do not think, however, that Paul was a Christian Pharisee. Pharisee Saul, inventor of Christianity, the new Pharisees. When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. On page 38 Polhil writes, Paul certainly showed more the attitude of the zealots than of Gamaliel. Polhil also mentions in Phillipians 3:5-6, Paul refers to his persecuting in close connection with his zeal for the law. Polhil then mentions that a modern Zionist would have a yearning for the independence of the nation and the restoration of the glory of the temple by the Messiah. After reading our sections it seems to me that although Paul studied under Gamaliel, his actions resembled more closely to the Shammaite party. Rather than the many trails of supposition. He is also quick to associate with gentiles, so he does not have a deep-seated hate for Romans in general as well. When Saul encountered the Lords voice in Acts chapter 9, it makes me question if Saul had been hearing the Lords voice sooner, but he was not listening? How about you? I wont say Im high on Jesus, and so using a mind-altering drug for recreational purposes is wrong, because Jesus is better. I dont want to be rejected by my peers. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. Have you even stepped inside shul? Acts 22:3 - "I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of This is something Peter practiced and had a struggle with regarding gentiles because hes from the school of Shammi. Yahweh is the path to freedom, not Paul. Reblogged this on By the Mighty Mumford and commented: AN INTELLECTUAL OF THE TIME, PAUL LEARNED FROM THE BEST AND MOST COMPASSIONATE TEACHER AROUND! (Not The Law the Prophets & the Writings, not All Scripture, not The whole Bible). I also was struck by the context in Pauls frequent use of athletic analogies. The only think I have examined from him (Yeshua: A Guide to the Real Jesus and the Original Church) is occasionally accurate, but often wildly wrong. ), STEP 3) Paul said; All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. [Romans 3:23] (Response- Again the same question; What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? In regards to Gamaliel, based off of Acts 5:35-40, he seemed to be a wise teacher. Why are you waiting, be of those who bow to Gods Will if you know that the Bible has lies in it and is corrupt, you must believe that a true religion exists in the world and isnt a secluded secret for the few who know! He was also a hellene or hellenized jew of the diaspora as part of the culture of the greeks so he was also schooled in Greek logic and would have been knowledgeable in the classics of Plato and Aristotle, Stoism and Epicureanism. Dr. Long has taught full time at Grace Christian University since 1998, specializing in Bible and Biblical languages. We do not know if either Gamaliel or Paul heard Jesus preach or were part of any of the meetings which led to his death. whats d equivalence of studying at d feet of Gamaliel to todays education. I am not sure God as incarnate is the issue, that is certainly not what is preached in Acts 2-3. He studied under Gamaliel. ), was the portable earthly dwelling place of Yahweh (the God of Israel) used by the Israelites from the. He left James as Nassi of his Sanhedrin, who is a Pharisee. FWIW, the name is spelled Ron Moseley. Yet even here, not even Paul, not even once, ever said that All Scripture is EQUAL in authority, priority, and importance. [Matthew, John, Revelation, 2 Peter NIV], Jesus is The Way to God The real Jesus of the real Apostles But false teachers come and pervert Gods Word With twists and turns and jostles, My sheep listen to my voice Jesus said for us all to hear I know them, and they follow me He doesnt run when a wolf appears, He calls his own sheep by name Its not the witchcraft of a distant stranger Not just repeating the magic words And then thinking you are out of danger, Our Father in Heaven wants to talk to you He can hear you loud and clear And He sent His Son Jesus to inhabit the earth So that all who want God can draw near, Real prayer is a conversation At least thats what God wants it to be We talk in the garden in the cool of the day When we are part of His family, Only Jesus never disobeyed God Hes the only immaculate conception The Holy Spirit comes in His Name Dont listen to the voice of deception, If a false apostle preaches I became your father, imitate me He doesnt speak the words of God Its just Boss Paul the Pharisee, And if a heretic now claims to be The Churchs universal pastor His words should be ignored They lead to nothing but disaster, Jesus did not just teach The Way He IS The Way, my friend Repeating the mantra of Marypaulhammad Is nothing but a dead end, Bibliography all quotes in quotation marks are the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John chapter 10. Only 3 of these men wrote Scripture in the Bible Matthew, John and Peter. This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. Yeshua quotes many of them and in many cases agreed or corrected their rulings. (Paul said so is one witness, but you need to establish every matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses. Without any clear time reference, continuing on the theme of the Apostles, Matthew does record These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions [Matthew 10:5] Matthew never said that the Apostles were sent out immediately after being appointed. I do not think that after conversion he started reading manuals of style in order to communicate better with Gentiles, he already was well aware of these styles because the were pervasive in the culture. Paul, before his conversion, tended to be more like the Shammaites in that he was fairly violent and full of persecution. But that isnt the only meaning, or even the first and primary meaning. Another aspect of Hillel. If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). I think Sam is right (somewhere up the thread), one can differ from his teacher, sometimes radically. Law. Gamaliel became a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish court in Jerusalem. I differ from many of my former teachers, though I still appreciate their perspective. I think the point was not that Jesus was the Messiah, but rather that Peter and John are stating that the High Priest killed the Messiah and God vindicated him by raising him from the dead. Both Yeshua and Pauls ministries are simply another sect of Judaism. Gamaliel was a Pharisee, and a prestigious teacher of the law in the council. How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? How can I make them understand that they should deal with Paul Worship the same way that I deal with smoking weed? Im glad no one disagrees with me. As much as I appreciate you keeping an almost 4 year old thread alive, you just do not contribute much to the conversation. As an athlete and sports enthusiast, the references really stuck out to me and are passages of scripture that I have read multiple times. I trust that no one is offended and that as a result of this comment, we might get closer to Him, The Truth. .b) What about the so-called Great Commission? . Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. 4:2 Gamaliel forbade husbands from divorcing their wives without their knowledge. Yeshua himself even quotes these writings directly. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. IT should be heretical. | Reading Acts, Can You Be a Pastor without going to Seminary? Sin is always specific, not general. The biblical Christian has but one authority and tradition, trust and SolaHoly Scripture! xl. Per Euseibus the first 13 bishops the Jerusalem church were Pharisee. Thanks also for your series on New Perspectives. So what is the application of this parable? Gamaliel is not a Christian, but he certainly demonstrates that attitude in this story! Although there are many remarkably similarities between Paul and HIllel, there are serious differences between what might be considered the mainstream of Judaism which survived A.D. 70 (Hillel for the most part) and Pauline Christianity. And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. My problem is with your assumption that just because Paul differs from Gamaliel makes him a radical Shammaite Pharisee. and to make a point in this conversation,where did you get the idea that Saul (Paul) was Jewish.? I think there is some sort of progression, however, in Pauls theology. According to tradition, Gamaliel and Nicodemus buried Saint Stephen outside of Jerusalem. Whom did Paul study under? Love as me, myself and I define love to be, and continuously redefined by sinful men. it seems like Gamaliels statement would be a good point to make in sharing the gospel message with people of the Jewish faith. [erase erase erase], Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. Just because Paul disagreed with Gamaliel on one tiny aspect hes therefore a from the school Shammi? Gamaliel established a number of lenient ordinances, in particular . But this seems to be where the peaceful teachings of Gamaliel shine stronger. Sounds almost like he was in the personal transportation industry back in sword and sandal epic days Peter Charioteer? Maybe not. While Paul was studying under Gamaliel he was exposed to Hellenism, including the gymnasium. Who needs truth in relationship, when I can quickly get market share, and totally dominate the market, through mergers and acquisitions? Once you have taken the covenant you are native born. There are some good reasons to investigate Pauls claim to have been educated by Gamaliel. [Acts 18}, .5) Paul acting as an abusive absentee overseer / pastor to the Church in Corinth years after he abandoned them, and clinging to all power and claim to control of money and all aspects of the church ministry, while he was hundreds of miles away teaching full-time in his own school in Ephesus. And the head Mormon Apostle. . Gamaliel is mentioned a couple of times in Scripture as a famous and well-respected teacher. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them.. St. Paul is simply an elect vessel, as an Apostle! Perhaps this may not be too much of a stress, no? This notion is wrong. If we need a man or a group of men to interpret the Word for us, that would make it a revelation that needs to be revealed. Thanks for the pointer. What ends up as what we call Christianity and Judaism today both some out of the turmoil of the first two centuries. Why elevate the words of Marypaulhammad to the highest place, and use them as the lens to view and judge everything else? Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. Or the series on Jewish Christianity starting here: https://readingacts.com/2018/01/18/introducing-jewish-christian-literature/. Even if someone wants to be argumentative and say we cant prove that Judas wasnt there at the time, we certainly cant prove that Judas WAS there. Acts presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. 5:7) Paul takes a Nazarite vow, validate his claim that he doesnt teach against Torah and upholds it. There are many of us Red Letter Christians out here in evangelical land. But that was the requirement Jesus gave to sit on thrones: You are those who have stood by me in my trials. You, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 years. Just open the Gospels, especially Mathew, which has you in mind, and listen to the voice of Yeshua. (Also to other eyewitness testimony, recorded by Mark and Luke.) If one lies and is decieved that it somehow abounds to Gods glory, that lying isnt a sin ESPECIALLY where God is concerned, what WONT they lie about? He may have had Greek rhetoric and oration skills, but not at the top level (or at least he says he is not much of a speaker). Love is all you need. There is a fine line to be drawn, sure God uses who we are to accomplish his will, but Paul was changed at his conversion. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. While it is true that Paul did persecute early Christians, it was for his love of the Torah and not because he was rebelling against Roman oppression. Paul being the prodigal student, as it were, and departing from his mentor to do whatever he wants, abandoning his teachings, and then returning later when he realizes how foolish he was. I didnt know everything 7 years ago either but I have grown and learned new things about God and His Word in the past 7 years, as is normal for a growing believer. Posting links about Judaism doesnt correlate that you actually understand Judaism. Was he not in the Sanhedrin when Jesus came before them? Human teachers and influences, for some at least, did not matter. Tarsus of Cilicia. They all teach we should be like Paul and we should listen to Paul without examining Pauls life and Pauls teachings in the light of the teachings of Jesus in Scripture. This piece (above) is well done. Once we allow things that we can not say with certainty, we give a foothold to the enemy to sow his seed too. What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? Let every matter be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses, as it says in the Law ! . Paint the house first, and Ill stay in the garage until youre done. Yet he verbatim stated who he was and no one in the court said otherwise but well take your word for it. There is also a fair bit of controversy about Paul. Jesus calls us to Himself When The Show begins Were infants so He humors us Its Rocky and His Friends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE. I really will Stand up, stand up for Jesus, and wave his banner high- just not right now in 1973. Bibliography: Bruce Chilton, Rabbi Jesus 28-47; Gamaliel in ABD 2:904. The irony is what youre doing is exactly what Paul said NOT to do. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Luke 22:28-30]. It would be like me claiming that I was educated in worship by Marco Barrientos at Christ for the Nations in Dallas Texas he is the worship leader famous in Spanish Language Charismatic Christian circles for his song based on Isaiah 11:9 Ser Llena la Tierra https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGS_V5mEOG4, Is it true? QUOTE The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the throne! Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). For that, we have to go to extra-biblical sources. Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? 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